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Mfa rankings: the top ber/october ntly asked questions about the rankings additional rankings of full-residencies note: the following table appeared in the september/october 2011 issue of poets & writers magazine. Poets and writers have to say about their own priorities in choosing a postgraduate program, here are the 2012 rankings of the nation's top fifty mfa : the top-fifty and honorable-mentions rankings correspond to the most frequently applied-to programs for the 2010–2011 application cycle, as reported by 640 mfa applicants surveyed from april 16, 2010, to april 15, 2011. Read more information about the methodology used to determine the rankings and check out the rankings of the remaining eighty-one full-residency mfa programs. Have three main objections to seth abramson's so-called rankings, but i'll address only two of those objections here:1) seth has defended these rankings based, in part, on the "reasonable" assumption that prospective mfa applicants have seriously researched a number of mfa programs (he hasn't, as far as i'm aware, said what that number is). Without offering any empirical evidence about the prospective mfa students who respond to his blog site, he has no choice but to make an assumption about those respondents--no choice, anyway, if we're to take the "rankings" as being at all accurate. He has admitted that it's an "unscientific poll," yet he persists in calling them "rankings. Writers, of course, could change the terminology, and i believe that continuing to call them rankings is misleading. I appreciate that he at least pointed out that my program was in his respondents' top 50 picks, but referring to those responses as "the national rankings" is a terribly overblown way of putting it. Location), and neither should poets & caterina, just to correct a few misimpressions i think you may be under (and i should note that all of these clarifications are available, also, in the online, freely-available methodology article for the rankings, which i definitely recommend to you and any others reading this): (1) none of the surveys completed for the rankings proper were conducted on my personal website; (2) substantial empirical evidence about those surveyed is available in the methodology article (including the bases for their information, the number of programs they applied to, and many other pieces of internal demographic data); (3) many education rankings, including the longest-running and most popular such rankings in the united states (those published for the last quarter-century by u. News & world report) rely heavily on unscientific surveys, and in fact the p&w rankings -- which are not a single ranking, of course, but a discrete compilation of nine heterogeneous but non-comprehensive rankings in a single space -- rely less heavily on such surveys than most other ranking methodologies, as detailed at length in the methodology article; (4) the reason the methodology article is so comprehensive is to avoid having consumers of the rankings ask questions, as you have here, whose answers are readily available online and for free (in a document no longer than a single chapter of an average genre-fiction novel); (5) the article regarding under-rated programs to which you refer was in fact devised using hard data compiled for these rankings (that is, it assessed which programs appeared to be substantially less popular among applicants than the hard data associated with those programs -- data relating to selectivity, postgraduate placement, funding, student-to-faculty ratio, cost of living, program duration, and other factors -- would seem to predict); (6) since 2009, the poets & writers rankings have been acknowledged by scores of independent media outlets as both a ranking system and one with a national (even international) scope, as well as being cited as the only credible ranking methodology presently in use (the last data-collection effort for the now-defunct usnwr rankings was fifteen years ago, in 1996, when there were approximately 150 fewer full- and low-residency mfa programs than there are today); (7) applicants report (via internal demographic surveys conducted in association with the p&w rankings) that their reliance on previous iterations of the p&w rankings is inconsistent at best (e.

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Nearly half of current applicants report a neutral or negative interest-level in prior rankings), and to the extent all ranking methodologies are self-fulfilling prophecies (which is, certainly, at least partially true), they are also virtuous circles which, over time, become more accurate -- as the more popular a program is, the more selective its admissions process can be, the stronger its cohort is, the better its alumni publication record, and thus (in turn) the more popular it becomes (not because of rankings but because the program is actually beginning to undergo internal changes in terms of its cohort quality). In any case, i know none of these responses are particularly surprising to you; you e-mailed me directly about the rankings last month, asking all these questions and more, and i answered you in some detail -- in fact at greater length than i have here. During that prior exchange, you were going by a different name (i don't know what your real name is, but it wouldn't change my responses in any case, of course) and you indicated that the primary reason for your ire toward the rankings was your dissatisfaction with the ranking of your alma mater -- a ranking you felt was hindering your professional opportunities. To that concern i can only say that the program you mention is highly ranked, that employers do not in fact hire new employees on the basis of rankings designed for use by applicants (nor should they), and that certainly no ranking system can please the graduates of every program -- the important thing is that the ranking methodology be transparent, coherent, readily available, and probative. Harvard law degree or not (and by the way, my former "white-trash" parents got full rides at harvard, so i'm not intimidated by your resume): you consistently contradict yourself on this point; you admit, on the one hand, that there's nothing scientific about this "ranking" system, but on the other hand, you try to justify your "rankings" as meaningful. Your latest comment adds some new inaccuracies that now must also be addressed (which is disheartening, but keeping the methodology for the rankings clear, concise, and available to all is one of the tasks that's been set for me and that i set for myself). I did not say there is "nothing" scientific about the rankings; in fact, the methodology article is quite clear that this isn't so. The funding, job-placement, fellowship-placement, student-to-faculty ratio, and selectivity rankings all use available hard data (the largest such stock of mfa-related hard data in the world) and constitute a statistically-sound ordering of that data, just as the rest of the rankings table (which recites nearly ten other program features for every program listed) is constituted almost entirely of hard data. Education rankings are not merely a single column; media outlets which publish rankings deliberately and conspicuously publish all constituent data so that consumers of the rankings can use individual columns as they see fit. So yes, someone interested only in attending a program considered excellent by one's peers is likely to use the left-most column in the rankings, that column by which the rankings are ordered (as some method of ordering must be found); but those who are more interested in other program features will use the other -- separate and distinct -- rankings columns to create their own hierarchies, and they will then (of course) further inflect those hierarchies, as they should, with their own subjective values and interests.

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Anyone who wants to only use the "scientific" portion of the rankings table, which is substantial, is free to do so and need not worry about the vagaries of surveys. You say that you've read the methodology article; if that's so, you'll know the reason that the p&w rankings do _not_ employ weighting methods, as do a few of the more highly-visible usnwr rankings (even as most of them are actually survey-only rankings). That reason is this: weighting systems force the intrusion of the researcher's own value system, something p&w has avoided; likewise, weighting systems tend to devalue the subjective values and interests (and impressions and desires) of real consumers, while elevating objective measures to the level of the sacrosanct -- a folly the p&w rankings avoid by ordering the programs on the basis of a measure (the esteem of the best-researched applicants) which by _definition_ takes into account (and precisely in "actual," real-world proportions) whatever it is that the folks the rankings are geared toward (applicants, not alumni like yourself) actually care about. Caterina" (or "laura"), you can put as many words in quotes or capital letters as you like, but it doesn't make your understanding of either the rankings or their methodology any more objective or accurate. But as a researcher my obligation is to accuracy and to all consumers of the rankings, not one person. The creative writing mfa blog was not founded by me, is not owned by me, is not run by me, and is "voiced" by (depending upon the day and the post) any of the site's seventeen moderators, of which i'm only one. My personal website, the suburban ecstasies, was founded by me, is owned by me, and is authored exclusively by me -- and none of the polling for the rankings was conducted there, as i've already , i've been mostly gracious to you in our few email exchanges, but i object to the way you so often condescend to those who disagree with you. I know for certain that some people won't post comments about anything you've said or written for the same reason i nearly didn'ng of graciousness: there's something magnanimous about stepping back and allowing people to publicly disagree with your frequent and widely disseminated writings without your repeatedly defending yourself. I wasn't writing for you; i was writing to share my opinion with poets & writers and with future applicants. Want to emphasize that i never raised the question of self-selection; as i pointed out in my first posting, the usn&wr set of rankings was also a poll, and it was clearly a self-selected one, as you point out in your “methodology” section.

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Faculty views on mfa programs: it would be absurd to allow faculty members to rank their own programs (and i don’t know whether or not that was a problem with the usn&wr rankings), but that problem could be prevented in a good poll that included faculty could include your “hard data,” doing a service for prospective students and carrying out your mission to increase “transparency,” while avoiding these “rankings” altogether. I’ve seen people defend your poll by making comments along the lines of, “personally, i think the rankings are damned accurate,” but i’ve seldom seen them say why they think they’re “accurate”—though one person admitted that she just “liked” the position her program held on the list--and i admired her honesty there. But if he's going to turn the book into a formal rankings game, i probably won't enjoy future editions. I know how the rankings were compiled and i merely correct misstatements on that topic whenever and wherever they arise, the better to spread accurate information rather than disinformation or misinformation. If you want to state a mere _opinion_ about the rankings, you won't hear me respond (anyone can decide for themselves whether your opinions hold water or not); if you want to make misstatements of fact about the rankings, you will get a response from me because, again, that is my job. In any case, that said, there's much we agree on: the most common critique of the rankings is that current students and faculty should be surveyed about their own programs; i'm glad that you see, as i do, the impossibility of that methodology (though later in your note you seem to contradict yourself by bemoaning the fact that those surveyed "have no direct experience with the programs"; that sounds like a walk-back to me). Likewise, you persist in smearing the rankings, or at least the contextual demographic surveys done in conjunction with the rankings, as somehow the product of my own opinions (e. You certainly do demand a good deal of patience from your reader -- personally attacking me repeatedly, using capital letters, demanding responses to your erroneous subjective impressions of things you appear not to really understand -- but i continue to respond because of the 2% or so of rankings-readers who indicate intense dissatisfaction with the rankings, about half are willing to be corrected as to any misimpressions (willful or otherwise) they may be under about how the rankings were devised. That you are in the other half doesn't dissuade me from trying to speak to the other 1%, and _for_ the 98% who say they find real utility in the rankings. And if the overwhelmingly positive response i and others have received regarding the new rankings is any indication, i do think most folks understand this is just a question of a poet taking a non-artistic role in his community very seriously.

What i've observed online is that you often keep writing until you exhaust the other person. As i think you know, i have a years-long record of being pretty willing to engage questions about the rankings directly -- it's unworthy of you to suggest i was or am trying to "scare you off. I'm really not interested in going down that road with you; this is a thread to discuss the rankings and their methodology, not your opinion of my personal life or personality. I clarified the things about the rankings that needed to be clarified, and that's all i'm here to do. Seth will defend (or rather clarify) something that he worked so hard on so to ask him not to respond is , the rankings help a great deal. I think both parties involved in this argument could use a little bit of humble , writers have egos--which sometimes gets infused in their writing. My advice would be to get over i dislike about the rankings is that programs that were under the radar such as south carolina and texas state broke into the top fifty and now that i am going to apply to them, they will likely be more applicants to those schools. The work coming out of mfa, ma, and phd programs speaks for itself, and i'm continually new journal showcases graduate-level writing and we hope to see work from ranked, un-ranked, and upcoming programs across the country in our next , seth feels often works to "disabuse" others of notions (of him or his work) that he believes are inaccurate. I was very polite in my email exchanges with seth until i finally got annoyed by his email to me on july 2, 2010, which was a response to another concern i had expressed to him about these rankings and which he opened by saying "i see where your confusion lies. For two and-a-half years in the interim, i worked as a newspaper reporter (writing feature stories, mainly).

Did, however, express concern that these rankings could unfairly affect graduates' prospects for that i've had a chance to clarify the content of my most recent emails to/from seth abramson:In june i finished editing a sizable portion of a book collection that's under contract with a well known academic publishing company (which i won't name because i don't want to drag them into this)--a job i got in large part because of my mfa. I also don't want to subject myself right now to any more "explanations" of why i just don't understand seth's rankings. R way in which these rankings work is that they provide mfa applicants with a springboard for research. Before i came across an earlier version of these rankings, i had a difficult enough time finding a somewhat comprehensive list of potential , i can scroll through this . I am initially interested in funding and location, but i move on to things that these rankings couldn't possibly take into account (such as potential for obtaining degrees simultaneously in both fiction and film studies). And this in a nutshell is what the rankings provide: i don't have to spend too much time looking for gre requirements on a school's website, and instead, i can focus on the things that would really make a program attractive to , i was just hoping to see if we could get a conversation started on how other applicants use this is why i canceled my subscription. The rankings make up less than 2% of the annual content of the magazine (one-tenth of one-sixth), and the other 98% of what p&w (a non-profit) publishes each year presumably includes a lot of material you enjoy, if you originally subscribed prior to the introduction of the rankings in 2009. Any case, i worry that these rankings will become self-perpetuating; i knew and know too many prospective mfa students who did very little research before they started applying to programs. Caterina, i'll repeat here what i've said elsewhere: rankings tables are specifically designed not to be reducible to a single column. What i mean by that is, a comprehensive ranking doesn't _merely_ say, this program is ranked first, this one second, and so on; it provides readers with _all_ of the attendant constituent data so that individual consumers of the rankings can ignore any column they wish to, reorder the programs based on their own values, and so on.

So, for instance, you are saying the rankings don't seem to take into account the strength of the writers produced by your alma mater. That's incorrect; the hard-data rankings in the table that measure cohort quality are selectivity, funding (because high funding increases applicant-pool size, yield, and so on), job placement, and fellowship placement. Arkansas ranks in the top 20 in funding (specifically: 16th), the equivalent of a #5 worldwide ranking in the usnwr rankings you've mentioned. So if you want to speak of the usnwr rankings, arkansas is top 5 internationally in three of the four "cohort-quality-indicative" rankings. So the rankings in every way register the excellence you're seeing in the arkansas alumni pool. The mistake i feel you're making is you're using the left-most column (popularity) as a proxy for cohort quality, when it is not intended to be that--in fact, that's the very reason the constituent hard-data rankings i mentioned above are included in the table. The reason a program might rank lower in popularity than in the cohort-quality-indicative rankings is because applicants report that their application decisions rest on countless factors--location being a top-three consideration. And all you've said -- over and over -- is, "well, i'm not reading anything else anyone is writing, but... You wrote, "what other national rankings could [seth] be referring to [in saying arkansas had never cracked the top 30]? If there are misunderstandings about the rankings, i'm tasked (and have been, really, since 2006) with answering queries of the sort that caterina (on occasion) put forward.

Love the open letter to p&w written by various members of creative writing programs. Seth merely thinks i am because he can't believe that more than one person would disagree with his biggest problem with these rankings is that the basic methodology seems journalistically unethical. Read on another site that seth is currently collecting data for next year’s rankings from a private facebook group called “mfa draft 2012,” a group you have to be approved to join. This is all casual and offered as opinion, but where is the line drawn between someone's opinion and the opinion of the guy who does the rankings? I just think that his opinions are weighted differently because he puts together the rankings. Er these rankings come out, there seems to be some basic confusion about who they're rankings are mostly for applicants and prospective applicants, right? The point of the rankings is to help applicants, then i would say it succeeds wonderfully. Look at 153 full-residency programs and 59 low-residency programs, sorted alphabetically by s of diversity: talking race and the sonya larson | special section wilson college’s low-residency mfa program is taking strides to address questions of diversity, having started a conversation among faculty and students about the intersection of race, culture, and craft in the mfa ting degree programs is an inexact science even for disciplines with relatively objective criteria of measurement, like engineering, medicine, or ore, when it comes to ranking mfa (master of fine arts) degree programs in creative writing (a concept which varies from school to school, but may comprise poetry, fiction, playwriting, screenwriting, and non-fiction), the process of ranking threatens to sink into a slough of heless, the desire to compare—to sort wheat from chaff—persists in this area of academic life, as elsewhere. And, in fact, there is a surprising degree of consensus about at least some of the programs which belong on any list of the top here for free information about an ve writing master’s degree! News & world report magazine, poets & writers magazine (go here), and atlantic magazine (go here), the following four programs appear among the top 10 on all three lists:The 10 best creative writing programs.

University of is little doubt that the university of iowa’s program in creative writing (more commonly known as the iowa writers’ workshop), which is a two-year residency program, is the premier graduate creative writing program in the country. It can also be seen by virtue of the simple fact that if you asked someone in the street to name a creative writing program, this is undoubtedly the one they would mention first (and probably last). New york york university’s creative writing program is located in the heart of greenwich village, a formative terrain in the development of american literature. University of michener center for writers hosts an mfa in writing program on the university of texas campus in austin. The michener center for writers mfa in writing program is an autonomous institution associated with ut-austin, and is not to be confused with the mfa in creative writing offered by the university’s english department. University of california mfa in writing offered by the english department at university of california irvine is a three-year residency program. Cornell mfa program in creative writing is one of two creative writing programs offered by cornell university’s english department. Johns hopkins mfa in fiction and poetry at johns hopkins university is known as “the writing seminars. Jhu also supports the noted literary magazine, the hopkins university’s creative writing program is one of the oldest in the country. Students interested in playwriting will have the opportunity of working with the boston playwrights’ theater.

Agni is bu’s highly regarded literary the remaining programs that appear on only one of the three top-10 lists, the following is the one with the highest ranking on another list:The mfa program in creative writing at brown university is administered through the department of literary arts. Brown is also home to the brown literary here for free information about an ve writing master’s degree! Write for college your cover d at your ate your for college 20 colleges for aspiring  meaghan healy | april 6, the latest ranking of top 10 schools for aspiring writers 2016 will you do with a creative writing major? Prepare for the skeptics—a creative writing major is not for the faint of heart. If you’re serious about your craft, you’ll need a creative writing program that will whip your writing into shape. We’ve uncovered programs with reputable alumni and faculty, scholarship opportunities, inventive writing courses and thriving literary magazines. No school can guarantee you’ll be the next great american author, but these ten will get you pretty damn 1 of 11nextuse your ← → (arrow) keys to better gear up if you’re looking into the creative writing program at emory university in atlanta. The select few who do get accepted can apply for the grace abernethy scholarship just for being a creative writing major. If you decide to pursue playwriting, you’ll thrive with emory’s unique joint theater studies major. See ya on d read: attention, writers: 3 books you need to 1 of 11nextuse your ← → (arrow) keys to browsebring your passion for words to your dorm room with the writer collection:If you love to write, and you want to focus your college career on perfecting your craft, consider the following majors:Communication studies ges and literature ve writing relations each of these majors you will flex your writing skills.

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